--On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 23:43 +0000 Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> what you expect to accomplish by this request even while > I recognize that your reasons may have little effect on whether > or not the request is granted. > > To stop working with the ietf completely and take my work > somewhere else once being found because as the definition of > insanity to keep trying with the same people and expect a > different result. Then, IMO, you should do just that: stop working with the IETF, stop posting to this list, and go away. I agree with others that posting so-called "tombstone" documents so that they are the first (or only) things found when someone looks for an I-D would be a good idea but that is up to you. If you decide to do such documents and your ideas have evolved even slightly since those particular I-Ds were posted (or might do so in the future), you might even include a statement in them that the ideas they contain are somewhat obsolete and people should therefore contact you for more and better information. I don't think there is anything in the I-D rules that would prevent your including that bit of advertising. But, as long as you keep posting to this list (or any other IETF-sponsored list or list advertised on IETF web pages) you are, by the IETF's definitions, participating in the IETF (which is at least close to "working with the IETF") and, logically at least, your claim that your documents and ideas retroactively have nothing to do with the IETF gets weaker. Good luck with your pursuits elsewhere. john