request for examples (via private mail) of IETF list participants showing lack of respect and empathy
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- Subject: request for examples (via private mail) of IETF list participants showing lack of respect and empathy
- From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 23:30:22 -0400
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Reading these messages I'm struck my the extreme polarization between
people who think IETF list participants showed a lack of respect, and
people who think IETF leadership showed a lack of respect. While I
certainly agree that the IETF mailing list discussion has been extremely
upsetting - I've hardly slept the past two days - I'm one of those in
the latter category of participants.
If anyone would care to cite examples (via private mail, please) of
messages from IETF participants other than leadership that showed lack
of respect and empathy, and explain why this is the case, I would
appreciate it. I'm trying to understand for myself the nature of those
complaints. I am also curious as to whether I noticed those messages
on first reading, and am just more sensitive to censorship than I am to
"lack of respect and empathy", or whether people are complaining about
things that I didn't notice at all on first reading.
More broadly, I suspect that this polarization has been a problem for
IETF for some time, and will continue to be a problem. But I'm
wondering if it's possible to eventually develop some shared
understanding and common ground. I realize that I'm asking a personal
favor and that others might also benefit from the comparison. But I
don't think the list would appreciate an open discussion of this right now.
I specifically don't want to get into an argument about this, even in
private mail. I'm just wanting to try to understand others'
perspectives. If people who send me mail want to know my reaction,
please say so, but I won't trouble you with it unless you ask. I will
also keep these replies to myself unless you specifically state that
they may be shared.
Thanks very much,
Keith
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