So sorry for the offense, I will refrain from posting as much as possible going forward. Alissa > On Aug 13, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> On Aug 14, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Nico Williams <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:48:30PM -0400, IETF Chair wrote: >>> I believe we wind up in this kind of situation over and over because >>> IETF participants have no shared norms about respecting each other or >>> demonstrating empathy towards one another. With no norms about >>> respecting one another as human beings, no value assigned to composing >>> thoughtful replies, and no expectation of simply treating each other >>> with kindness on the list, our discussions devolve into toxic, snarky, >>> knee-jerk back-and-forth. Without norms, processes like the one >>> established in RFC 3005 are not worth much. >> >> This is the least empathic message in all of this thread. >> >> Some of us have been quite polite, professional, and reasoned in our >> positions that do not support yours. We get no credit. Instead we see >> insinuations and bullying by the leadership and others. > > Indeed not just some, but most. > > I'd like to call on the SAA to advise the IETF Chair that the quoted > blanket smear on the character of the participants in the prior threads > is out of line, and an apology is owed to the IETF community, along with > an expectation that this sort of slander will not be repeated. > > -- > Viktor. >
