Re: Terminology discussion threads

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On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 04:17:29PM -0300, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2020, at 15:15, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> > Randy: There seems to be more than rough consensus from many IETF
> > leadership
> > representatives that this is the right course of action from the number
> > of
> > +1 reactions to this thread.
> 
> There may have been more “+1”s, but declaring consensus on this issue would
> be… adventurous… to put it mildly.

The key words were "...from many IETF leadership representatives".
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To me it looks like the quoted text is not even claiming consensus among
IETF leadership, let alone the IETF.  If anything, it's acknowledging
the _lack_ of consensus.  However, it may just be poorly phrased.  Maybe
Toerless meant that the IETF leadership considers the +1s as evidence of
rough consensus.  Funny that there should be more +1s than -1s given
that expressing disapproval gets one a suspension from the SAA.  Or that
we should determine consensus democratically now when that's not normal
procedure.





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