On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 04:17:29PM -0300, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > On 13 Aug 2020, at 15:15, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Randy: There seems to be more than rough consensus from many IETF > > leadership > > representatives that this is the right course of action from the number > > of > > +1 reactions to this thread. > > There may have been more “+1”s, but declaring consensus on this issue would > be… adventurous… to put it mildly. The key words were "...from many IETF leadership representatives". ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ To me it looks like the quoted text is not even claiming consensus among IETF leadership, let alone the IETF. If anything, it's acknowledging the _lack_ of consensus. However, it may just be poorly phrased. Maybe Toerless meant that the IETF leadership considers the +1s as evidence of rough consensus. Funny that there should be more +1s than -1s given that expressing disapproval gets one a suspension from the SAA. Or that we should determine consensus democratically now when that's not normal procedure.