I agree. > On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Paul Wouters <paul@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 09:10, Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> "harm" not found. > > Unfortunately, this thread has already harmed the IETF community. Not only by showing a lack of empathy to try and be more inclusive when the costs are low, but also by showing how toxic discussions can get at IETF. > > unfortunately, cultural change is very slow. > > Paul