Re: [Ietf108planning] Registration open for IETF 108

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On 11/06/2020, at 2:39 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 6/10/20 6:21 PM, Jay Daley wrote:
As well as stating that you see this a switch from a zero to non-zero
fee, I think you’ve also stated that such a switch can only be made with
community consensus.  Given that you and some others firmly oppose this
switch it would seem that community consensus could not be achieved
within the necessary timeframe to make such as switch for IETF 108, if
at all, no matter what process was used to try to find consensus.
Well, I don't know about that.  Stephen can (and does, with
admirable vigor) make his own arguments but from my perspective
this discussion really hasn't grappled in any meaningful way with
the question of openness and the IETF's working method.
Introducing a fee for all remote participation in IETF meetings
introduces a new barrier to participation[*].  It's not simply about
the money, per se.  And if we're introducing barriers to
participation in ways that impact the openness of the process,
it does seem inappropriate to do that without some fairly
deliberate community discussion.

Melinda

[*] The fee waiver program strikes me as a bandaid, not a solution.

If the fee waiver programme were uncapped then would you still regard that as a bandaid?

Jay


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Melinda Shore
melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx

Software longa, hardware brevis


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Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director
jay@xxxxxxxx


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