> And your writing a nasty letter to the editor complaining that no one has given you the useful feedback to which you think you are entitled might have the effect of getting all future papers from you that are submitted to that journal rejected. No comment. Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:38 PM To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Salz, Rich <rsalz@xxxxxxxxxx> Cc: ietf <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Protecting Copyright. --On Thursday, April 30, 2020 16:17 +0000 Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I cannot force someone to discuss, give comments, make a review to my > drafts … IETF main members should take the initiative at least in > supporting a specific idea. As you have been told several times before and by multiple people (both on and off list), the fact that the IETF does not prevent you from posting I-Ds that you want to treat as a "scientific journal, to publish my ideas" does not given you any "rights" to have the IETF community (including WG Chairs and ADs) pay any attention to, much less comment on, those ideas. Equally important, you can reasonably assume that the silence you are getting about the substance of your ideas actually is, as others have tried to point out, a comment by the community on those ideas... a comment that those who do not respond are not (for whatever reason) particularly interested. There is, at least IMO, a big difference between our I-D system and discussion lists and a scientific journal. The IETF system is intended primarily for ideas that people would like to see evolve into freely-available consensus standards or other documents that will get IETF community consensus. Our IPR rules (including both copyright and patent), which have been extensively discussed on this thread, were developed around that objective, one that includes sharing of ideas. There are consequently few restrictions on posting I-Ds other than agreement to a few requirements that are consistent with those goals -- precisely the requirements to which you agreed when the I-D was posted and about which you are now complaining. For scientific journals, at least those I've submitted papers to, served on editorial boards of, etc., things are very different. Submitting an article does not guarantee that it will be posted or published. It does guarantee a response, but that response could be just a note from a staff member that the journal is not interested in the type of material the submission represents. If it gets further then that, you would at least get a review or two or more, but, if the reviewers don't like the article (for whatever reason makes sense to that journal) your getting reviews does not guarantee publication either. If it is published, you have no guarantee that anyone will read it, much less respond (in that respect, similar to the IETF). And your writing a nasty letter to the editor complaining that no one has given you the useful feedback to which you think you are entitled might have the effect of getting all future papers from you that are submitted to that journal rejected. Neither system is perfect, but you more or less have a choice... and criticizing part of one system for not being more like parts of the other is not, IMO, likely to get you very far. I am trying carefully to not tell you what to do and I am not speaking for the IETF, but I suggest, personally, that reading and understanding the above might help you... at least help you understand why you have gotten some of the other responses you have gotten. regards, john
