Paul, > >Alternatively, we can own up that it is OUR problem, i.e., the IETF, and if > >we want a solution, we will create one here. > > If we decide that "the problem" is one in our realm, I fully agree. > But transporting layer 2 stuff over IP is not a problem that affects > the Internet. It is a problem for the service providers marketing > departments. The past three yeas have proven that service providers > can satisfy their customers needs with L3VPNs, with > somewhat-interoperable L2VPNs, with non-interoperable L2VPNs, and > with just plain layer 2 circuits. I certainly agree with you that there are enough examples that clearly show that service providers can satisfy their customers needs with *multi-vendor* *interoperable* implementations based on the *open* specs, where the spec is an Internet Draft, rather than an IETF standard. In other words, an Internet Draft + working code is both necessary *and* sufficient. Yakov.