> On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > > > The key in my view is to work on the NAT vendors, instead > of viewing > > NAT > > boxes as an obstacle they should be seen for what they > really are, an > > essential and important part of the internet infrastructure. > > you obviously don't write applications. No, because I design and use applications I really wish that the IETF had designed a decent NAT box spec rather than adopting the ostrich position. Phill