> From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com> > ... > "why do we have to discard the current system?" but rather "how long will > the world population tolerate current and increasing levels of mangled or > nonconsensual communication?" and also "who will develop technology to meet > this gaping and obvious need?" > ... A contrary view that we have seen the crest of the flood of spam can be argued: - spam filtering is a major selling point for all major ISPs, - the mass media is talking about spam filtering and spam, with ever decreasing sympathy for the "ethikal biznezmen" who are harmed by various anti-spam mechanisms, decreasing talk about evil, nasty vigilantes, and increasing sympathy for even abusive spam defenses. - there are some amazing legal attacks going on. See for example "Legislators Call for Fix to Law Against Unsolicited E-Mails" in http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB105484626839598400,00.html (may require a subscription) - the DMA is getting its fingers squashed in some state do-not-call lists and the continuing federal DNC evolution. See http://www.the-dma.org/cgi/disppressrelease?article=444 http://www.the-dma.org/government/donotcalllists.shtml - since the start of the recent series of legal attacks on the worst spammers, I've seen a possible leveling off in the total number of streams of spam in the system. The bend in the curve on http://www.dcc-servers.net/dcc/graphs/db-size coincident with the announcement of some legal attacks on spam might be an artifact or it might be real. All of those could be coincidences or illusions, but all of them were either conceivable or silly jokes 12 months ago. It is possible that people have had enough and aren't going to take it any more, much as people in neighborhoods in some cities in Iraq reportedly decided enough lawlessness was enough and took steps to control it. Extrapolating from peaks of lawlessness in Iraq, the Balkans, Lebanon, and elsewhere implies that the old system of a few, easily broken locks and a few lightly armed police must be replaced with a full-up prison state. However, the local residents eventually decide to deal with the worst problem makers one way (e.g. vigilantes) or another (e.g. cooperating with old or external/U.N. civil authorities) and the apparent need for extreme measures ebbs. Sometimes, it takes years for the residents to decide and overcome the problems including external pressures, but eventually things get better and the old system prevails. In other words, Paul, are you sure you're not calling for an ashcroft? Personally I'm equally convinced of the validity of both Paul's and the view above. I'm not convinced either is all or even most of the truth. Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com