> ..., but instead of a blackhole, it would be more like a realtime > pushback list (RPL), which has some nice properties of punishing known > abusers, but not causing complete collateral damage to innocent parties. the definitions of your words "known", "abusers", and "innocent" are highly subjective and are known to vary considerably from one recipient to the next. y'all have got to stop trying to save smtp, and just agree to move on. smtp was an ivory tower thing and it isn't working well down in the fields. -- Paul Vixie