Anthony, First, I sent my mail to the list to make public apologies for the public insult made to John on this list. Second, the objective of this mail was not to discredit Dean (despite his insults), but to apologize vis-à-vis John (because of the insults made to him). Read my mail a bit closer, and you will discover that the main idea was not defamation but apologies. Finally, I said that I spoke "in the name of every honest and decent contributor to this list". So tell me how I should consider the fact that you don't feel concerned... E.T. P.S.: this having been said as a "droit de réponse", you are free to continue this conversation privately, off the list... -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: vendredi 30 mai 2003 9:14 To: IETF Discussion Subject: Re: The utilitiy of IP is at stake here > John, If you are speaking only to John, why do you send your message to an entire list? > Since I don't think Dean "Troll" Anderson will do > it, I would like to apologize, in the name of every > honest and decent contributor to this list, for the > insults made against someone that was so deeply > involved in the development of SMTP and MIME, and > whose contribution, reputation, and experience earned > him the Internet Architecture Board's chair. Your attempt to discredit someone else on the list is transparently obvious. Why not just state your disagreement with him and leave it at that, instead of embarking on a smear campaign? > I feel so sorry to see how dishonest and undecent > one can be with those who contributed to design and > build the Internet and all related technologies > and protocols. See above. A rather poor attempt to disguise defamation as nobility. Perhaps you should simply speak for yourself, instead of presuming to speak for others, particularly when the latter is really only a platform for actions of questionable merit?