Well, Einstein made blunders too. He could admit them. Some people seem to think that having invented or significantly contributed to something means that the inventor is immune to criticism. That is called a personality cult. Personality cults usually have few useful contributions, because they distract the personality. Maybe that is what happened to John with SMTP AUTH. I don't know. --Dean On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tomson Eric (Yahoo.fr) wrote: > John, > > Since I don't think Dean "Troll" Anderson will do it, I would like to > apologize, in the name of every honest and decent contributor to this list, > for the insults made against someone that was so deeply involved in the > development of SMTP and MIME, and whose contribution, reputation, and > experience earned him the Internet Architecture Board's chair. > > I feel so sorry to see how dishonest and undecent one can be with those who > contributed to design and build the Internet and all related technologies > and protocols. > > E.T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dean > Anderson > Sent: mercredi 28 mai 2003 4:40 > To: John C Klensin > Cc: shogunx; Tony Hain; 'IETF' > Subject: Re: The utilitiy of IP is at stake here > > On Tue, 27 May 2003, John C Klensin wrote: > > (...) > > > The opinion > > of others may differ, of course but, as far as I am concerned, you are > > succeeding in losing all credibility. > > I think the same about you. It seems this will go nowhere. I'm just trying > to be polite. You've offered absolutely nothing of substance in this > -long- message. > > (...) > > This is just nonsense. Obviously, you have no operational experience. > > (...) > > > >