Randy Bush writes: > > Maybe if you and Randy stopped playing elliptical > > word games we could have some communication > > here. If you have a point, make it. > > keith did. it's just that you didn't like it. > > the reality is that today, identifiers are addresses are routing. > we may or may not like this, but it is fact. Fine. The reality is NAT and RFC1918 too. That doesn't mean that we should just give up. And unlike the intractable set of problems that drive NAT's, it's trivial to djinn up collision resistant names which can be used in lieu of the abdication of thought implicit in recvfrom() as the Bearer of Names. Diffie Hellman is your friend. Mike