Folks, I would like to strongly encourage everyone to recast this discussion from the perspective of the Senie/Klensin postings. They are cogent, coherent and constructive. They even smack of serious architecture. And that is more than most of the rest of this thread can claim. d/ -- Dave Crocker <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <http://www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253>, <fax:+1.866.358.5301>