-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Brian" == Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com> writes: Brian> the INET conference with tutorials. But our experience of INETs Brian> for the last few years has been quite negative financially, which Brian> is why there is no INET 2003. So even this approach may not be as Brian> easy as we might think. However, I think doing some ISOC/IETF joint Brian> tutorials just before an IETF is definitely worth a try. As far as I understand, the conferences that offer tutorials do so with the conference because the people attending are the ones that are targetted. Since many conferences are more of the "we watch/they talk" variety, the tutorials are often have are well received. I.e. the people came to *learn* things. For this to work at IETF, the question is: would *WE* (as individuals) be willing to pay extra for a tutorial on something we don't know about. I think that there is significant value in having people from, for instance, the routing world learn about IPP, or vv. This kind of organized cross-fertilization is probably very valuable. Jeff Schiller has been doing security talks for some time now on Sundays. The question is - would they make any money. If others find it I would personally likely *not* pay. Maybe. Depends upon the price. So, I'd rather pay the $70/each and spend the time doing something else (like making code interop!). On the expense side, I find it interesting that the lack of attendance is now hurting us. Some years ago, we were debating how to deal with 3000+ attendees. I guess I'm glad we banked some of that money. My question is: is 1600 an awkward number? (not a sweet spot) Do we need to be in a bigger hotel than, for instance, if we were at 800, but do not make full use of the facilities? (I think not, but what are the parameters here?) In general, I dislike "5-star" hotels - I find them cold and way too nose-in-the-air. Comfortable, sure. But, I'm happier in less expensive hotels. But those ones do not have the conference space. ] ON HUMILITY: to err is human. To moo, bovine. | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQCVAwUBPnljgYqHRg3pndX9AQFh5wQA4G9fhaxGHusi69+9mj7YdrxwnjIVtM5s 8AhAvmVeiYQrOWklxe5O+gKeE+pagneLtVt9Sjf1whU1rR8srk5L6GZM2YYPzzvg Vcsu2cXYuvIzJgE8szKPh1VZah645QNrlr3lOAVPQQaVQrBANVnnAUVTpmOrzHfo SwzjtKBhBFQ= =W42D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----