In your previous mail you wrote: The "nicest" solution that I can see is for the ISPs to transparently proxy port 25 to their MTA. They should offer STARTTLS. => I don't understand the word "transparently" here (:-). If one of my ISPs does such things, I'll sue it immediately: we have laws in France to protect the secrecy of private mails. I'll be surprised if there is none in USA. So, my packets look like: SMTP/TLS/TCP/IPv6/IPv4-encap-v6/IPsec/IPv4. => yes, the protocol 50 will save us from them (I'll put this on a T-shirt :-). Thanks Francis.Dupont@enst-bretagne.fr