*> working group can often take better minutes than an outsider. On the *> other hand, it is very hard to take good minutes and/or scribe while *> participating in the discussion, and often the minutes will suffer for *> those portions of the meeting where the minute-taker also wants to *> join into the discussion. (Or stand in line at the mike, etc.) In any of the WG meetings I have attended in the last 10 years, it would not have been hard to find a person in the room who was not participating in the discussion. In fact, 95-99% of the people in the room were non-participants and were therefore potential note takers. Bob Braden *>