> were some logs more useful to you than others? yes. but the difference between 5% useful and twice as good is not very interesting. i have used jabber in ietf meetings and similarcontexts. it works to coordinate stuff in real-time. but that was not my application this time. i really was after the as much content of the meeting as possible. to do that well in jabber or whatever, one would have to pay a court transcription person. whereas, as someone already pointed out, a cheap video camera does the job. randy