Lars> An example is PPVPN, which is chartered to work on specification of Lars> requirements, with new protocol work being explicitly out-of-scope. Lars> However, some current PPVPN IDs (and several more targetted at it) Lars> read more like solution documents >From the PPVPN charter: This working group is responsible for defining and specifying a limited number of sets of solutions for supporting provider-provisioned virtual private networks (PPVPNs). It is somewhat difficult to define and specify a solution without writing something that "reads like a solution document". Lars> for various existing vendor schemes, >From the PPVPN charter: The working group is expected to consider at least three specific approaches Various "existing vendor schemes" are then explicitly mentioned. Lars> new protocol work being explicitly out-of-scope [but PPVPN documents Lars> are] specifying packet headers and MIBs In some cases the PPVPN docs do have protocol work in them which needs to be moved to another working group. But I don't think this is a case of the group going beyond its charter, it's just a matter of the individual contributors getting the time to divide up the documents properly. In other cases, the PPVPN docs just specify how existing protocols are to be used to achieve various functions. I don't think defining a MIB counts as "new protocol work".