Dan, sounds like a plan. I say all messages from Bernstein be handled via his option #2 Can we please BOUNCE all of Dr. Bernsteins email with the correct procedure, in the bounce message, on how to subscribe and be a participating member of the list instead of bitching and wasting time. If you have specific complaints about the List Manager then forward them, in private, to the NomCom. This list is NOT the place for this bitch fest. Now lets get back to something more important like arguing over DNS SEC. ;) Jeesh, what a waste... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of D. J. Bernstein > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:25 PM > To: ietf@ietf.org > Cc: iesg@ietf.org; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: namedroppers mismanagement, continued > > > [ post by non-subscriber. with the massive amount of spam, > it is easy to > miss and therefore delete mis-posts. your subscription address is > 54830374684695-namedroppers@sublist.cr.yp.to, please post from it or > fix subscription your subscription address! ] > > Olafur Gudmundsson writes: > > Ask Randy to put your posting address on the approved posters list. > > Messages are not being bounced with explanations of how to > set them up as known addresses. Messages are being SILENTLY > DISCARDED. (Misdirecting them to some obscure web page would > have essentially the same effect.) > > You say the problem is that _I_ am not doing something. But a > whole bunch of namedroppers messages from _other_ people have > also been listed as coming from non-subscribers. How many > more messages have been lost--- or deliberately thrown away > by Bush? THE PROCEDURE IS FLAWED! > > As for my own sender address djb@cr.yp.to, Bush has already > taken manual action---but what he did was _not_ adding the > address to a list of known > addresses. Instead, he started putting my subscription > address on top of all my messages to the list---shortly after > I had informed him that I kept _that_ address private to > limit the number of people who can forge unsubscription requests. > > I don't care whether Bush's decisions can be adequately > explained by stupidity. The decisions shouldn't be made by > hand in the first place. The only acceptable ways to process > a message to a standardization mailing list are > > (1) to immediately pass it through unchanged to the subscribers or > (2) to immediately bounce it. > > The decision between #1 and #2 must be made by objective > standards. The bounces must clearly and thoroughly explain > the standards. The standards must allow the sender to > straightforwardly arrange for #1. > > ---D. J. Bernstein, Associate Professor, Department of > Mathematics, Statistics, and Computer Science, University of > Illinois at Chicago > > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to > namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' > in a single line as the message text body. > archive: <http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/> >