Keith, I almost agree with you... Except here is the problem... The IPoverIB@ietf.org mailing list has 17 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/admindb/ipoverib I'll go ahead and remove the 17 messages trying to sell sex, toner cartridges, stuff in char sets I don't even know what they are... No I don't want random people sending stuff to a low volume list ( a couple messages a week is normal ) so I think asking people to subscribe is a low overhead task... You don't even have to receive the mail traffic. It is also not in the communities interest to slog through 100's of spams to find a usefull nugget of truth either. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf@IETF.ORG [mailto:owner-ietf@IETF.ORG] On Behalf Of Keith Moore Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:41 AM To: Eliot Lear Cc: D. J. Bernstein; ietf@IETF.ORG Subject: Re: namedroppers mismanagement, continued > Join the list already. How hard is that for a so-called mail guru? there are valid reasons to post to a list when you're not subscribed, or from a different address from the one you use for your subscription. and it's not in the community's interest to ignore useful input.