graham.travers@bt.com wrote: > > Brian, > > Unfortunately I couldn't make the meeting this time, because of the change > of date to November, so I don't have the full background to the discussion. > > On the subject of "mechanistic rules", however, I do feel happier that the > pilot of my plane mechanically ( methodically ) checks through a list before > taking off. You're right that methodology can't ensure quality - but it can > help ensure that somebody is checking the quality. It was more the automatic timeouts I was getting at. I'm in favour of setting target times, but not of killing WGs or publishing documents automatically when the timers pop. Brian > > Regards, > > Graham Travers > > International Standards Manager > BTexact Technologies > > e-mail: graham.travers@bt.com > tel: +44(0) 1359 235086 > mobile: +44(0) 7808 502536 > fax: +44(0) 1359 235087 > > HWB279, PO Box 200,London, N18 1ZF, UK > > BTexact Technologies is a trademark of British Telecommunications > plc > Registered office: 81 Newgate Street London EC1A 7AJ > Registered in England no. 1800000 > > This electronic message contains information from British > Telecommunications plc which may be privileged or confidential. The > information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity > named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information > is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please > notify us by telephone or email (to the numbers or address above) > immediately. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian@hursley.ibm.com] > Sent: 22 November 2002 13:35 > To: Dave Crocker > Cc: Charlie Perkins; iab@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Restatement of my proposal from last night's plenary > > Dave Crocker wrote: > ... > > If folks > > have not yet read draft-huston-ietf-pact-00, they should read it now. > > If you think that mechanistic rules will improve quality, then yes, > do read it. > > A remark I wanted to make last night is that a fair number of the > phenomena that people don't like (such as noticing a problem late) > are pretty much inevitable and in the "deal with it" class. Mechanistic > rules won't help. A less complicated world would help, but that option > isn't avaialable. > > I do strongly agree on the need for delegation, but that delegates > responsibility and liability, not just the fun of reading 2000 > pages of drafts. So it's easily said, but not easily done. > > Brian -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brian E Carpenter Distinguished Engineer, Internet Standards & Technology, IBM On assignment at the IBM Zurich Laboratory, Switzerland