Thus spake "Eliot Lear" <lear@cisco.com> > Christian Huitema wrote: > > Your fears appear to be based more on emotions than facts. To the best > > of my knowledge, the TCP/IP stack that ships in Windows conforms to > > the IETF standards and interoperates with the stacks that ship on > > other platforms -- it is certainly meant to. Several Microsoft > > employees participate to the IETF, volunteering a sizable amount of > > their time. Microsoft itself has a history of working with the IETF, > > including providing financial support to the RFC editor through ISOC. > > Christian, most of this note sounds like an apology of the form > "Microsoft is Okay because we give to charity", not because they do the > right thing. If Microsoft is doing development on enhancements to the > stack, this organization has good reason not to trust the results, based > on past experience (i.e., Kerberos). OTOH, does anyone have any evidence Microsoft is attempting to "embrace and extend" at or below the transport layer? This smells like a reporter's paranoia. Microsoft's application protocols (e.g. CIFS aka NetBIOS, Kerberos) are certainly problematic, but I've heard no complaints about their IP stack in several years. S