> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu > ... > And you want them to cut-and-paste the list address into a form AND get > all the right options set too? I think you're giving the users too much > credit for possessing operational neurons.... For the purposes of fighting spam, users who cannot reply to email matter less than those who can. If there were no users that would reply to email, then the only contact information in spam would be telephone numbers and postal addresses. That a lot of spam includes email addresses and various URLs shows that the situation with legitimate subscription confirmations is not at all bad. The most you might conclude is that more mailing list and auto-whitelisting software should adopt mechanisms common in spam, such as mailto URLs that encode the confirming token in the subject or the destination address. Most of the users who can't figure out how to cut and paste or reply to mail are also dumb enough to us "web enabled" MUAs. Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com