On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:16:08 -0700 Einar Stefferud <Stef@thor.nma.com> wrote: > Opt out is not a good spam solution, since in most cases, the opt out > email address is generally used to collect good "live" addresses for > use by other spammers. > > So, we have mostly all learned to never reply to an opt out offer. > I have never seen one that worked, and now I never reply to them. nor do i. the theoretical possibility of effective opt-out comes from having the list managed by a neutral third party with strict controls; bulk emailers would submit lists to be cleaned. a prototype of a system that might have been effective was built by Rodney Joffe several years ago. > To solve the problem, any anti-spam law has to require Opt-IN > procedures, and documentation of the Opt In actions. And even then, > they can fake the opt-in EMail documents. How many times already do > you get spam that claims they have your opt-in records. opt-in is certainly always preferable. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security