And it is likely that standard tools, including return routability and white lists, will work less and less. I've now received spam that had a valid From address from within my own organization - if you have enough email addresses, that's easily accomplished. Pretty soon, receiving email will require secretaries again, making the problem a $10/hour instead of $100/hour problem :-) Carsten Bormann wrote: > Jim Fleming wrote: > >> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame57.html > > > Is the person in that picture you, Jim? > (In case this is unclear, this is a rhetorical question, no reply > solicited.) > > Back to the topic: Perry has hit the nail on the head. > > As another person with a moderately well-published mail address, I can > attest that the problem simply can no longer be ignored. > > In Europe, spam (more precisely: automated unsolicited communications) > will be outlawed EU-wide on 2003-07-24 (IANAL). > That does not help with the large amount of Chinese, Korean, and US > spam, though (and Europe so far has not been a significant source of > spam, anyway). > Maybe it *is* time to develop technical solutions that will assist the > legal ones being deployed. > It is certainly useful to think beyond mail, here -- automated > unsolicited communications on your IP-phone will be even more of a > problem than with mail. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > - > This message was passed through ietf_censored@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it, which > is a sublist of ietf@ietf.org. Not all messages are passed. > Decisions on what to pass are made solely by Raffaele D'Albenzio.