Perry, SPAM is a problem, but the solutions so far have a strong smell of "throwing the baby with the bathwater." For example, a popular ISP practice is to block all SMTP connections that are not directed to a local ISP server: it blocks submission through legitimate servers run by third parties, e.g. personal web servers. Another popular practice is to block a whole network if SPAM originates from some of its addresses; an extreme version of that blocks all mail from Korea or China; the belief is that by doing so one forces network providers to clean up their act; in practice, a lot of legitimate usage is prevented. There are other irritating consequence, such as mailing restriction on IETF lists, which we are forced to accept for the common good but which also makes interaction harder than necessary. So, Perry, are you proposing a solution? Or perhaps a process to find a solution? -- Christian Huitema