>>>> Anyway, given that they actually want to get work done under the >>>> auspices of the IETF, I see no justification for turning them >>>> away. >>> Given that this is a deployed product, I tend to agree. The work >>> is going to get done; we may as well help it to get done as well >>> as possible. >> but the reasons given above seem sufficient to put us in the paperclip >> standards making business. > Proven technical base, motivated workers and ready market for products > using a specification. > Those certainly are a lousy basis for forming an IETF working group. you have an impressive talent for omitting text, twisting people's words, etc. you should run for political office. i also said >> i submit that relevance, expertise, non-conflict with other >> standards groups, change control, etc. are important criteria. randy