> From: dank@hq.lindsayelec.com (Dan Kolis) > off topic, but it effects this community You're correct, and I hope I will be afforded some latitude for replying, but I can't resist the opportunity to bring to everyone's attention a truly great book, one which happens to have material bearing on your point It's called "Slide Rule", and it's the auto-biography of the famous author Nevil Shute, who as Nevil Shute Norway was a leading aeronautical engineer in the 30's before his writing career took off. The airplane business in those days was the equivalent of the computer/network industries today - people with bright ideas starting small companies. As such, the description of the basic business strategies seem very familiar. It's really eerie to read a book written in 1954 that talks about how "the company must get big quickly"! Get Big Fast, indeed. Mr. Norway was lucky - the Second World War came along and bailed his aircraft company out. He has this to say about your following point: > I think Bernie E at Mci/Worldcom is getting kicked in the ass too hard > by congress and the investment community. > ... > there are fiber Erbium Amplifiers on the floor of the ocean carrying > Gigabits of messages a second .. There *not* there without some scary > risk taking. "At one time or another one must be prepared to throw one's personal reputation into the scales, when money is at an end. ... I have in mind the case of one fraudulent financier in particular who went to prison ... If, in fact, the depression had come to an end six months earlier, everything would have come right again, the fraud would never have come to light, and many people would have been saved from great distress. ... At the same time, it is right and proper that such men should go to prison. All business is based on truth and confidence, and unless certain standard of honest dealing are maintained no industry would be possible." Noel