Michael, I suggest you might wish to recall a few terms. Probably, you had occasion to deal with these terms in the past, but you appear to have forgotten them: USER INSTALLED BASE UBIQUITOUS OPERATOR TASK These terms all have significant meaning outside of computer engineering. Go back and reread: JSC-EV)> FAX is NOT dead at NASA. JSC-EV)> We send a LOT of documents to other centers that cannot be sent via e-mail JSC-EV)> (photocopies of shipping documents, flight manifests, older engineering JSC-EV)> drawings, etc [things that are not available electronically]). That is why JSC-EV)> I am so interested in seeing this work completed. A real user speaking. On an IETF list, it would be good to contribute to finding ways to use the Internet to solve his problem, rather than sniping. Gene gene.gaines@gainesgroup.com Sterling, Virginia On Thursday, July 4, 2002, 3:41:03 PM, Michael wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> "JSC-EV)" == JSC-EV) (LM <COLES> writes: > JSC-EV)> FAX is NOT dead at NASA. > JSC-EV)> We send a LOT of documents to other centers that cannot be sent via e-mail > JSC-EV)> (photocopies of shipping documents, flight manifests, older engineering > JSC-EV)> drawings, etc [things that are not available electronically]). That is why > JSC-EV)> I am so interested in seeing this work completed. > Do you really send faxes? Is this what you really want to do? I mean to say > you want to negotiate 9600 baud connections over the Internet using some kind > of VoIP? > Or do you mean that you want a way to send a binary piece of data > (representing an image) from one party to another in an automated, batch > oriented way. > Perhaps I can introduce you to a protocol called "FTP". > It has rather interesting authentication features that are in widespread use. > If you prefer, there is another protocol called "HTTP" that might > help. I've heard it is pretty popular now. If you want batch transfer with > retries, there is also UUCP-over-TCP. Port 540. > ==== > Seriously, we need *LESS* junk sent by email, not more. > The whole FAX over email problem is simply endemic of the fact that we have > no(%) *end-user* to *end-user* file transfer protocols. > (To be useful, we would ideally need a global PKI, but we can certainly > start simpler) > ] ON HUMILITY: to err is human. To moo, bovine. | firewalls [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ > ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ > ] panic("Just another NetBSD/notebook using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: latin1 > Comment: Finger me for keys > iQCVAwUBPSSkzYqHRg3pndX9AQH6yQP/Xl9CsNfTw61qTlWJkNtxzgwt2iqi9Ncf > ONvV2fP+f9gU1/bH/kCnrzkiHWEc+hiDiAlvI9VSkSZvhukG+mXhO3B2fkcycPeo > nySP//5NbtUbuc0XwAYzHZj9Uru/E6Skgz97Ar/OxjdXXQ6KohLEfNxGwgAryOPo > og/ePO4AB3E= > =YPaY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --