Well, I am doing my part by exercising my rights to avoid buying any of the stuff that does not let me copy it, and I will not buy any computer stuff that is unable to copy stuff. And, so I agree that if the IPR folk want to be so damned proprietary, they can just sit at home with all their unsold stuff. If they tie up the Internet as we know it, the USENET WILL RISE AGAIN and we will have two Internets passing in the night. And, after a while, things will come back together with the re-introduction of sanity. Is this not how the world always muddles through? Fortunately, there remains a group of people who have kept the USENET spirit alive while the Internet has run over almost everything else. So there;-)...\Stef PS: And, I did not appreciate USENET for what it was (and is) at the time;-! At 12:39 AM -0400 5/1/02, Keith Moore wrote: > > i think people should be free to create and share but that those who wish > > to claim rights should not be prevented from doing so. > >sure - but which rights they should be able to claim, what remedies should be >available when rights are violated, and what presumptions are made by the law >until disputes are adjucated? slightly different answers to these questions >have drastically different effects. > >Keith