Ran you jhit it on the head - "Your milages varies..." - this is a standards organization and not a place where we decide who we like and which of their projects we are going to allow to come through us today and not. That's not the way any other GLOBAL standards orgs work. It is however how all of the privatized reccomendation services work, and the problem here is that you have hit the needle on the head. The IETF is not a fair and equitible playing field by your very commentary. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Atkinson" <rja@extremenetworks.com> To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net> Cc: <ietf@ietf.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: How many standards or protocols... > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 01:01 , todd glassey wrote: > > > The problem James is that this is just not the case. What is the case is > > that each WG Chair gets to decide what concensus is for their WG and > > that is > > wrong. > > It is the role of the WG chair(s) to determine rough consensus. If one > disagrees, there is a well-documented appeal process. Consensus > necessarily > is sometimes more rough than other times. > > I'm quite happy with the way it is. And by the way, the IETF doesn't > recognise organisational members, just individuals. And I like that > aspect as well. > > Clearly your mileage varies. > > Ran > >