It would also help a lot not to discourage people that are willing to volunteer. If what you want is your name on a RFC, then the IETF is the place to be. If you want to develop a protocol, I highly recommend a mailing list outside of the IETF, where work technical work can be accomplished without being blocked by politics and incompetent leadership. Michel. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:50 PM To: Randy Bush Cc: ietf@IETF.ORG Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-etal-ietf-analysis-00.txt At 04:34 PM 4/13/2002 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > > Another, very different reaction to the disparity between promise and > > accomplishment is to ensure that working groups meet their milestones. > >and if they don't we reduce their salaries, right? or perhaps leverage more appropriate to our volunteer circumstances... for example it is interesting to watch how working group dynamics sometimes change when an area director indicates an intent to shut down a non-performing effort. In other words, taking milestones seriously and, therefore, taking appropriate action when they are not met, would be interesting to consider. d/ ---------- Dave Crocker <mailto:dave@tribalwise.com> TribalWise, Inc. <http://www.tribalwise.com> tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.850.1850