Oh goodie! We get to chat about the other IAB -- Internet Advertizing Bureau. (http://www.iab.net) Reading Mr. Kehres back-to-front. Is in-list spam in-scope for poisson? Yup. Is there a venue for general spam? Yup (April's got it). Would adopting an opt-in regime in the US improve things? Yup. (spam TTL >= 3) Is everything a horrible muddle so nothing is clearly worth depricating? Noo, but that is a nice try. Cheers, Eric (ex-engage, where cookies were baked, users tracked, and marketing made)