On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Chip Sharp wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:21:21 -0500 > From: Chip Sharp <chsharp@cisco.com> > To: harford@atmware.com > Cc: pwe3@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [PWE3] ATM Forum liaison > > At 11:39 AM 3/11/2002, harford@atmware.com wrote: > > >Since the IETF has no official liaison process, I want to make sure that > >PWE3 members are aware of the most recent communication from the ATM Forum. > > Below is a liaison that was sent to your Chairs and Area Directors. > > > >The ATM Forum has added an optional sequence number and length field to our > >frame format, effectively aligning it with the Fischer draft being > >considered within PWE3. I would urge members who value a single industry > >standard to promote Fischer as the most practical way to achieve this. I > >also understand that a frame format compatible with Fischer (but not > >Brayley) is in the current draft document being considered by ITU. > > Actually there are two frame formats with *equal status* (Under > Investigation) under consideration by ITU Study Group 13 Question 5. > I believe one is compatible with Fischer (contained in what is > called a draft document) and one is compatible with Brayley (in the > living list). > > Therefore, it looks like the ATM Forum may be the only standards > group not considering both frame formats. It's all in the delicate phrasing, isn't it? nicely worded, Jim. thanks, Chip. In the light of recent discussion of ITU-T and misrepresentation, unintentional or otherwise, of the work of standards bodies (the recent 'Re: Last Call: IETF and ITU-T Collaboration Guidelines to Informational' thread on ietf@ietf.org) I have to ask: is anyone here an official ITU-T representative for ITU SG-13 who can provide an accurate precis endorsed by the ITU? On 5 March, Scott Bradner said in that thread: $ the reason behind this at all is that we have had cases of people $ representing to IETF WGs that they know what is going on in an ITU-T $ SG but it turned out that in some cases they did not know and thus $ mislead the listeners about what was going on in the ITU-T - this $ was meant as a way for the ITU-T management to say, in effect "he $ knows what is going on" - this was not intended to mean that any $ such designated person carries any more weight in IETF WG $ deliberations than does any other individual - but as Pete points $ out, it can be useful to actually know what another group is or is not doing. ...as input to decisions based on pure technical merit? In the interim, I would urge you to ignore Jim's urgings. L. is not in the ATM Forum, having read through the directory that includes http://www.atmforum.com/pages/advantages/self_declaration.html > Chip > > >Jim Harford > >ATM Forum AIC Chair > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Townsend, Richard L, JR (Rick) > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:49 PM > >> To: 'danny@tcb.net'; 'luca@level3.net'; 'sob@harvard.edu'; > >> 'mankin@isi.edu' > >> Subject: Liaison to IETF PWE# from the ATM Forum > >> > >> Liaison to IETF > >> > >> To: Danny McPherson, Co-chair of PWE3 WG danny@tcb.net > >> Luca Martini, Co-chair of PWE3 WG luca@level3.net > >> Scott Bradner, Area Director sob@harvard.edu > >> Allison Mankin, Area Director mankin@isi.edu > >> > >> For: IETF PWE3 WG > >> Subject: ATM-MPLS Interworking > >> > >> The ATM Forum has recently started work on version 2 of our ATM-MPLS-ATM > >> Network Interworking specification. Please note that the initial version > >> of this specification, af-aic-0178.000, is publicly available at the ATM > >> Forum's web site at <http://atmforum.com>. > >> > >> In version 2, we have added a length and sequence number field to our > >> frame format, effectively aligning our frame format with > >> draft-fischer-pwe3-atm-service-02 that you are considering within PWE3. > >> > >> Any comments you have will be welcome. > >> > >> The next meeting of the ATM Forum is April 21-26 in Prague, Czech > >> Republic. > >> > >> Rick Townsend > >> Chair of the Technical Committee, ATM Forum > >> rltownsend@lucent.com > _______________________________________________ > pwe3 mailing list > pwe3@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>PGP<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/>