A email was posted to the IETF mailing list this morning. Its contents were: ========= Sorry for this somewhat off-topic question, but I think this issue is at least vaguely related to Internet engineering. I suspect that my colleagues and I are not the only ones viewing with alarm various practices of ISPs serving residential users that generally conflict with the traditional openness and neutrality of Internet infrastructure. We started to put together a list of must/should/shouldn't/mustn't in terms of ISP technical practices, along the lines of: principal purpose is transporting packets expeditiously should not constrain customer use of network, except to limit malicious or illegal use shouldn't block ports except with permission, or to stop imminent attack should support multicast and IPv6 should not either require or prohibit NAT or VPN use etc, for potential use as criteria against which local ISP behavior could be judged (in the case of regulated monopolies in particular). So the questions are: * does anyone know of such a set of recommendations already written down somewhere? * are there discussion forums or other venues where people are working on this kind of thing? Far be it from me to try to constrain the behavior of participants on this list, but let me suggest that discussion of the technical merits of the above points or the general wisdom of this effort is probably not appropriate for the IETF list ... Thanks, - RL "Bob" ========= Being the great guy that I am ;-) I directed Bob toward NANOG. ========= Bob, You might try NANOG (North American Network Operators Group) for answers to these questions. I'm sure those guys can point you to the documentation you need. www.nanog.org Clarke ========== I was thouroughly dissapointed to see these comments from one Valdis Kletnieks who does not seem to be to impressed by the NANOG crew: Just be prepared to view any answers you get with some suspicion. Although the great majority of the NANOG crew is at least semi-clued and willing to be helpful, it is still possible to start quite the flame-fest just by suggesting that an ISP shouldn't number its point-to-point links out of RFC1918 space, because that breaks Path MTU Discovery for those sites that do rational martian filtering at their ingress routers. And I'll not go into the flamefests you can start with mentioning the blocking or filtering of ports, except to say "Comcast". ;) Bait&switch advertising (what bandwidth did you *really* buy with your money) and the distinction between "residential" and "commercial" service (basically, the latter seems to mean you have a snowball's chance of getting the bandwidth they hinted you'd get, and possibly a tech support phone number that gets you somebody clued rather than "try rebooting") are other good "hot buttons". Regarding "regulated monopolies" - forget it, unless you have an enlightened 'Public Utilities Commision' that is actually something other than a rubber stamp for the utility in question. Bottom line - the NANOG crew is a great resource if you need to know how to get a Cisco or Juniper to tap-dance "Singing in the Rain". It's also a good place for a flame-fest on what the preferred Astaire dance for a Juniper is ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech Can some of the mature NANOG folk please help Bob?