Re: Working group last call for service codes - reply

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OK -- looks good.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gorry Fairhurst [mailto:gorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: Phelan, Tom
> Cc: dccp >> 'dccp' working group
> Subject: Re:  Working group last call for service codes - reply
> 
> Phelan, Tom wrote:
> > Hi Gorry,
> >
> > See inline for comments on comments :-).  Sorry it took so long :-(.
> >
> > Tom P.
> >
> > [snipped]
> >> I added a ref in 3.2:
> >> NEW:
> >> Network address and port translators, known collectively as NATs
> >> [RFC2663], may interpret DCCP ports [RFC2993] [ID.Behave-DCCP].
> >>
> >> I also updated bullet 2 to explicitly refer to this:
> >> NEW:
> >> o	A middlebox that does not modify the intended application (e.g.
> > NATs
> >> [ID.Behave-DCCP] and Firewalls), MUST NOT change the Service Code.
> >
> > [Tom P] Is this a hypothetical situation -- are there any examples
of
> > middle boxes that *change* one application into another, different
> > application?  Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
> >
> We spoke in one meeting about RTP-relays and such like, but as I
recall
> we decided that it would not be a good idea to go down this rat-hole
of
> defining specific actions for such things - just to say NATs and
> firewalls MUST NOT change the SC.
> 
> >> I have currently made this a normative reference - since this is a
PS
> >> that speaks of a specific mechanism that is important for SC use
and
> >> dedicated to DCCP, but I could make it informative if you think
this
> >> better reflects the citation.
> >
> > [Tom P] Normative reference sounds right to me.
> >
> Done.
> 
> >>> Section 3.3.1 (mostly editorial, but maybe technical):
> >>> "If the receiving host is listening on a server port and the
> >>> DCCP-Request uses a Service Code previously associated with the
> > port" --
> >>> Would "uses a Service Code *currently* associated with the port"
be
> >>> clearer?  The current wording seems to suggest that any SC that
was
> > ever
> >>> associated with a port is OK.
> >>>
> >> Aha, I now suggest:
> >> OLD:
> >> uses a Service Code currently associated
> >> NEW:
> >> uses a Service Code that has been associated
> >
> > [Tom P] That wording seems to me to say the same thing -- that any
SC
> > ever associated with the port should be accepted.  How about "uses a
> > Service Code that *is* associated"?
> >
> OK.
> 
> Changed to /is/ (and one similar clause also set to present tense).
> 
> >>> Section 3.3.3 (technical):
> >>> So what should be the identifier in dccp-inetd?  Just a port or
just
> > an
> >>> SC or a port and an SC (the last, for my thinking)?  I think that
> > should
> >>> be specified here.  I think you try to specify this in the last
> >>> paragraph, but it seems unclear to me.
> >>>
> >> OK, well spotted - this is vague, but intentional. I hedged away
from
> >> detail on the inetd discussion (after various iterations with Eddie
> > and
> >> Mark). I do not have much to say from the OS point of view - I
guess I
> >> was thinking of driving this from some of file/database with SC and
> > port.
> >
> > [Tom P] So is there an action here?
> >
> 
> I do not have anything to add.
> 
> Gorry



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