On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 17:15, Marco d'Itri <md@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Dec 22, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > - KERNEL=="tun", NAME="net/%k", MODE="0666", OPTIONS+="ignore_remove" >> > + KERNEL=="tun", NAME="net/%k" >> > The mode seems rather permissive? Do you really allow any user to >> > make tunnels by default? (Ours is 0600!) >> Hmm, I don't know. I see Ubuntu users complaining on the net, who use >> virtualization not running as root. But if it's unsafe we should >> change that. > It's safe with modern kernels, it should be 666 to not anger users. > >> > We have the nvram group, no idea why, we just do ;) >> Hmm, if there is a good reason. Maybe just drop "nvram", and wait if >> anybody complains? > As I explained, it's a Debianism. Yeah, fine, distros who need that can just add it, if it's not "generally useful". >> Putting gigabyte-big USB hard disks in the "floppy" group? Also some > Yes, because "floopy" actually means "removable storage devices". Yeah, but it is a weird assupmtion today. We have real devices today on USB and not only floppy-like USB sticks. >> ATA/SCSI storage controller are marked as removable. I don't think we > I like to call these "buggy". Hmm, with buses like SAS, SATA, and enclosures, non-removable devices are really going away. Today almost all stuff can be moved around, and is removable. Some devices need that to force re-validation on open. >> If we can not agree on a default, we can do an option, but we do >> nobody a favor who works on an upstream project and who needs to find >> the differences again. So, I'm all for finding a common solution, For >> me it would not be a problem to use "dialout" if that is what we want. >> Harald? > In Debian uucp and dialout are totally unrelated groups: the first one > is used by the Taylor UUCP package for its own stuff, the second one > means "member users can initiate a dialout connection using SLIP, > PPP or a terminal program". I think some distributions overloaded the > uucp group with both meanings. Debian cannot merge them. Yep, I guess we will all go for "dialout", where it fits better and "uucp" is used to today. Kay -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-hotplug" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
