On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 6:08 PM, IgnorantGuru <ignorantguru@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > It’s not a question of whether I personally want to use systemd or > gvfs or Red Hat's tools, or even what conspiracies that > billion-dollar corporation may be involved with. But as an > independent FM developer using GTK as my GUI, I want my software to > be able to run on a wide variety of systems, not just Gnome (and not > just Gnome's very latest, since they have no respect for backwards > compat). MANY users go out of their way to avoid DEs, systemd, gvfs, > dbus, etc. - Linux is full of options. And you want the GNOME developers to support all of them? > Further, many FM devs HATE gvfs and udisks, including the ones that > use them. I had so many problems with udisks support that I wrote > udevil to replace it, which quieted the problems immediately. > > SpaceFM has only gtk, glib, and udev as core dependencies (very > unusual for a file manager), allowing it to run almost anywhere with > any set of system tools in use, and this took work to achieve. If > they connect gtk to gvfs with a hard dependency, or claim systemd > must be in use, GTK+ does not require systemd. > then my users have to install all of Gnome just to use my app, GTK+ does not require GNOME. > similar to how you have to install KDE and all its crap to use > krusader. If you want to use both, you have all these extraneous > daemons and packages installed and running. That’s how corporations > think they achieve dominance - by forcing people to install their > whole DE. But that just causes devs and users to drop GTK. And it's > ridiculous for my app to care what init system a user or distro has > selected - that's their business. My app and it's GUI toolkit > shouldn't care. GTK+ does not care about the init system or distro. > If they were smart, they’d realize that making a very smart GUI > toolkit with minimal dependencies and good backwards compat would > ensure GTK’s long life and wide adoption. Perhaps they just try to > keep it for Gnome-only’s use, viewing it in a competitive way and > being hostile to use by others, hostile to 3rd party theming which > users greatly enjoy and prioritize, etc, or they’re deliberately > running it into the ground to destroy GTK and ensure Qt’s adoption > (which they’re certainly achieving). > > GTK is being abandoned at a phenomenal rate primarily due to Red > Hat's agenda and conflicts of interest. If you genuinely support the > toolkit, you may wish to take notice of that, and its reasons. GTK+ is not a Red Hat project. > As for who agrees with me and who doesn't, outside of fanboy lists > and such, most people I encounter are QUITE unhappy with GTK 3, and > often ask why I use it at all. And many devs I know have left it, > even when it required large amounts of rewriting their apps. > > Were I to select a new GUI toolkit for a new app (Gnome or not), I > would not select GTK, largely because of the obnoxious and arrogant > behavior of Red Hat employees and stooges involved in the > development and bugtrackers, as well as their lack of respect for > minimal dependencies, project separation, and community involvement. John _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
