----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Torrie <torriem@xxxxxxxxx> > To: gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Bug 687752 - work with theme authors > > On 11/11/2012 10:17 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote: >> GTK 3 at this point really is just the GNOME toolkit. There is absolutely > zero >> involvement from anyone else. Neither XFCE nor LXDE nor Windows or OS X >> developers take any interest in pushing the toolkit forward - apart from >> occasional bug reports and patches. All features are prototyped, coded and >> maintained by GNOME developers. So in its current state I would call GTK a > part >> of GNOME. It's worth pointing out that this was basically the same > situation >> with GTK 2. > > My comments have nothing to do with themes, but more to do with GTK > fulfilling my needs as a GTK app developer (not a Gnome developer), and > a response to the idea that GTK is the Gnome ToolKit now. > > GTK2 had a workable Windows port at least, which I did use. And on OS X > at least there was X11. And it could be ported with minimal effort to > most modern Unix systems with an X server. I understand the lack of > contributions to drive GTK forward on these fronts, and that is > unfortunate, but certainly not the fault of the core developers. Even > more unfortunate, though, is that because of the tightening of coupling > between GTK and Gnome, you're heading towards dropping support non-Linux > systems entirely in GTK. And even on linux, Gnome itself (the > perception is GTK is being drug along too), is being coupled closely to > components like systemd, udev, and other things which are nice, but > desktop distro-specific (Fedora mainly). An embedded linux board > running some minimal distro wouldn't have those. And I think this > integration is partly what is causing push-back by the other distro > makers and users. If, for example, a light-weight rescue distro wants > to have a widget toolkit on which to make apps, what do you recommend? > Part of what made GTK2 so wonderful is that it was easy to use PyGTK and > hack together a light-weight, standalone app that did something useful. > > I'm only a casual developer, and I love using GTK (2), because it is > just portable enough for my needs. Much of what I would do in the > future I could see targeting small pseudo-embedded computers. Say ARM > with a touch screen (no I don't want to run android), perhaps running > only an X server, with no udev, no systemd, and a single app. GTK3, > with support for touch and multitouch would seem to be a good candidate > for targeting a GUI to such an environment, if it were light and > platform-independent like GTK2 (read: not tied to Gnome). I don't need > or wnt Gnome's many layers. And if GTK3 can't fill my needs, that's > okay; there are options, though none as nice as GTK's api. > _______________________________________________ > gtk-list mailing list > gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list > FLTK ( www.fltk.org ) ? There are also Perl bindings - if one wants quick GUI development: http://search.cpan.org/dist/FLTK/ Regards, Sergei. _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
