On 11/11/2012 10:17 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > GTK 3 at this point really is just the GNOME toolkit. There is absolutely zero > involvement from anyone else. Neither XFCE nor LXDE nor Windows or OS X > developers take any interest in pushing the toolkit forward - apart from > occasional bug reports and patches. All features are prototyped, coded and > maintained by GNOME developers. So in its current state I would call GTK a part > of GNOME. It's worth pointing out that this was basically the same situation > with GTK 2. My comments have nothing to do with themes, but more to do with GTK fulfilling my needs as a GTK app developer (not a Gnome developer), and a response to the idea that GTK is the Gnome ToolKit now. GTK2 had a workable Windows port at least, which I did use. And on OS X at least there was X11. And it could be ported with minimal effort to most modern Unix systems with an X server. I understand the lack of contributions to drive GTK forward on these fronts, and that is unfortunate, but certainly not the fault of the core developers. Even more unfortunate, though, is that because of the tightening of coupling between GTK and Gnome, you're heading towards dropping support non-Linux systems entirely in GTK. And even on linux, Gnome itself (the perception is GTK is being drug along too), is being coupled closely to components like systemd, udev, and other things which are nice, but desktop distro-specific (Fedora mainly). An embedded linux board running some minimal distro wouldn't have those. And I think this integration is partly what is causing push-back by the other distro makers and users. If, for example, a light-weight rescue distro wants to have a widget toolkit on which to make apps, what do you recommend? Part of what made GTK2 so wonderful is that it was easy to use PyGTK and hack together a light-weight, standalone app that did something useful. I'm only a casual developer, and I love using GTK (2), because it is just portable enough for my needs. Much of what I would do in the future I could see targeting small pseudo-embedded computers. Say ARM with a touch screen (no I don't want to run android), perhaps running only an X server, with no udev, no systemd, and a single app. GTK3, with support for touch and multitouch would seem to be a good candidate for targeting a GUI to such an environment, if it were light and platform-independent like GTK2 (read: not tied to Gnome). I don't need or wnt Gnome's many layers. And if GTK3 can't fill my needs, that's okay; there are options, though none as nice as GTK's api. _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
