hi raif, >> Having a look at Pads again last night, there's no way for a Pad to >> get configured >> > > we can also add an additional initialisation method --init(Map > attributes)-- to the padding interface to cater for this new types of > padders. > > i'm hoping you're going to do this, account for design implications past and present, etc.. i just checked cvs and didnt see it in `ipad'. .. > >> --- which would be why the last one came out a mode. >> > > what last one? yes, the oae cheers, john -- http://www.syntelos.com/