Hi all! Nice Java2D progress. :-) Yesterday I have tested the ClosedSource program JavaView (http://www.javaview.de) on jamvm and cacao with the GNU Classpath Snapshot from yesterday. And it works fine. Only some fields are not drawn. It looks like that there is a problem of GNU Classpath KJava2D with negative numbers, I think. For example I know it from other programming languages (mostly basic). If there is a Rectangle drawan from point (x,y) with the size (w,h), where w the width and h the hight is, then in some programming languages the rectangle isn't drawn if w or h are a negative number. I don't know, why some fields with GNU Classpath are not drawn in JavaView. But it looks like something similar. Because on some objects it is possible to look over it, but not under it with GNU Classpath. Something about JavaView: JavaView is something similar like the "WireFrame"-Applets in Suns Demo directory. But a lot better. Or it is something similar like programs created with Java3D or jogl. But without OpenGL, only the old Standard Java with AWT. Swing isn't needed for it. To test it yourself, download at http://www.javaview.de/download/index.html the file javaviewFull.zip and unpack it in a directory of your choice and then type in this directory jamvm -Xmx512m -cp $PWD:$PWD/jars/javaview.jar:$PWD/jars/jvx.jar:$PWD/jars/vgpapp.jar javaview CodeBase=$PWD The standard 3D object you can stll rotate. If you want more go in the menu about File -> Open -> JavaView Models and choose a *.jvx file to open it. Something similar like JavaView and also ClosedSource can be found at http://www.vis.uni-stuttgart.de/~kraus/LiveGraphics3D/ But LiveGraphics3D runs only as applet. And so I haven't tested it with GNU Classpath. It is also not so powerfull like JavaView (no light and shaddows and so). Greatings theuserbl