On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Darrell Budic <budic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Will the various client packages (centos in my case) be able to > automatically handle the upgrade vs new install decision, or will we be > required to do something manually to determine that? We should be able to do this with CentOS (and other RPM based distros) which have well split glusterfs packages currently. At this moment, I don't know exactly how much can be handled automatically, but I expect the amount of manual intervention to be minimal. The least minimum amount of manual work needed would be enabling and starting GD2 and starting the migration script. > > It’s a little unclear that things will continue without interruption because > of the way you describe the change from GD1 to GD2, since it sounds like it > stops GD1. With the described upgrade strategy, we can ensure continuous volume access to clients during the whole process (provided volumes have been setup with replication or ec). During the migration from GD1 to GD2, any existing clients still retain access, and can continue to work without interruption. This is possible because gluster keeps the management (glusterds) and data (bricks and clients) parts separate. So it is possible to interrupt the management parts, without interrupting data access to existing clients. Clients and the server side brick processes need GlusterD to start up. But once they're running, they can run without GlusterD. GlusterD is only required again if something goes wrong. Stopping GD1 during the migration process, will not lead to any interruptions for existing clients. The brick process continue to run, and any connected clients continue to remain connected to the bricks. Any new clients which try to mount the volumes during this migration will fail, as a GlusterD will not be available (either GD1 or GD2). > Early days, obviously, but if you could clarify if that’s what > we’re used to as a rolling upgrade or how it works, that would be > appreciated. A Gluster rolling upgrade process, allows data access to volumes during the process, while upgrading the brick processes as well. Rolling upgrades with uninterrupted access requires that volumes have redundancy (replicate or ec). Rolling upgrades involves upgrading servers belonging to a redundancy set (replica set or ec set), one at a time. One at a time, - A server is picked from a redundancy set - All Gluster processes are killed on the server, glusterd, bricks and other daemons included. - Gluster is upgraded and restarted on the server - A heal is performed to heal new data onto the bricks. - Move onto next server after heal finishes. Clients maintain uninterrupted access, because a full redundancy set is never taken offline all at once. > Also clarification that we’ll be able to upgrade from 3.x > (3.1x?) to 4.0, manually or automatically? Rolling upgrades from 3.1x to 4.0 are a manual process. But I believe, gdeploy has playbooks to automate it. At the end of this you will be left with a 4.0 cluster, but still be running GD1. Upgrading from GD1 to GD2, in 4.0 will be a manual process. A script that automates this is planned only for 4.1. > > > ________________________________ > From: Kaushal M <kshlmster@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [Gluster-users] Request for Comments: Upgrades from 3.x to 4.0+ > Date: November 2, 2017 at 3:56:05 AM CDT > To: gluster-users@xxxxxxxxxxx; Gluster Devel > > We're fast approaching the time for Gluster-4.0. And we would like to > set out the expected upgrade strategy and try to polish it to be as > user friendly as possible. > > We're getting this out here now, because there was quite a bit of > concern and confusion regarding the upgrades between 3.x and 4.0+. > > --- > ## Background > > Gluster-4.0 will bring a newer management daemon, GlusterD-2.0 (GD2), > which is backwards incompatible with the GlusterD (GD1) in > GlusterFS-3.1+. As a hybrid cluster of GD1 and GD2 cannot be > established, rolling upgrades are not possible. This meant that > upgrades from 3.x to 4.0 would require a volume downtime and possible > client downtime. > > This was a cause of concern among many during the recently concluded > Gluster Summit 2017. > > We would like to keep pains experienced by our users to a minimum, so > we are trying to develop an upgrade strategy that avoids downtime as > much as possible. > > ## (Expected) Upgrade strategy from 3.x to 4.0 > > Gluster-4.0 will ship with both GD1 and GD2. > For fresh installations, only GD2 will be installed and available by > default. > For existing installations (upgrades) GD1 will be installed and run by > default. GD2 will also be installed simultaneously, but will not run > automatically. > > GD1 will allow rolling upgrades, and allow properly setup Gluster > volumes to be upgraded to 4.0 binaries, without downtime. > > Once the full pool is upgraded, and all bricks and other daemons are > running 4.0 binaries, migration to GD2 can happen. > > To migrate to GD2, all GD1 processes in the cluster need to be killed, > and GD2 started instead. > GD2 will not automatically form a cluster. A migration script will be > provided, which will form a new GD2 cluster from the existing GD1 > cluster information, and migrate volume information from GD1 into GD2. > > Once migration is complete, GD2 will pick up the running brick and > other daemon processes and continue. This will only be possible if the > rolling upgrade with GD1 happened successfully and all the processes > are running with 4.0 binaries. > > During the whole migration process, the volume would still be online > for existing clients, who can still continue to work. New clients will > not be possible during this time. > > After migration, existing clients will connect back to GD2 for > updates. GD2 listens on the same port as GD1 and provides the required > SunRPC programs. > > Once migrated to GD2, rolling upgrades to newer GD2 and Gluster > versions. without volume downtime, will be possible. > > ### FAQ and additional info > > #### Both GD1 and GD2? What? > > While both GD1 and GD2 will be shipped, the GD1 shipped will > essentially be the GD1 from the last 3.x series. It will not support > any of the newer storage or management features being planned for 4.0. > All new features will only be available from GD2. > > #### How long will GD1 be shipped/maintained for? > > We plan to maintain GD1 in the 4.x series for at least a couple of > releases, at least 1 LTM release. Current plan is to maintain it till > 4.2. Beyond 4.2, users will need to first upgrade from 3.x to 4.2, and > then upgrade to newer releases. > > #### Migration script > > The GD1 to GD2 migration script and the required features in GD2 are > being planned only for 4.1. This would technically mean most users > will only be able to migrate from 3.x to 4.1. But users can still > migrate from 3.x to 4.0 with GD1 and get many bug fixes and > improvements. They would only be missing any new features. Users who > live on the edge, should be able to the migration manually in 4.0. > > --- > > Please note that the document above gives the expected upgrade > strategy, and is not final, nor complete. More details will be added > and steps will be expanded upon, as we move forward. > > To move forward, we need your participation. Please reply to this > thread with any comments you have. We will try to answer and solve any > questions or concerns. If there a good new ideas/suggestions, they > will be integrated. If you just like it as is, let us know any way. > > Thanks. > > Kaushal and Gluster Developers. > _______________________________________________ > Gluster-users mailing list > Gluster-users@xxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-users > > _______________________________________________ Gluster-devel mailing list Gluster-devel@xxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-devel
