Hi, On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote: > Alex Riesen said the following on 25.07.2007 01:15: > > > I have to stay with Windows, but I'd absolute hate having their stupid > > line-ending by default. As will my project supervisor, and he gets > > changes from something like 300 developers. You will definitely get > > their votes against changing the default > > Ok, so maybe not changing the default. > Though it's weird behavior for _most_ Windows developers out there, I agree > that the current Windows Git population would mostly prefer the Unix line > endings. And I can see how someone who's working on Windows and handling a lot > of patches from other developers of multiple OSs also wanting the > non-platform-standard Unix line-endings. Even MacOSX saw the light. More and more tools on Windows (not from M$, mind you, they still want to lock you in, and I am continually amazed at the _willingness_ to be locked in!) are behaving sane. > > Marius said: > > > > > I believe, especially at the moment, most Git users on Windows are > > > mostly developing code in a cross-platform manner, and therefore > > > care about this problem. > > > > Yes. They solve it by working fulltime in \n-lineending. Avoiding that > > stupid Visual Studio and Notepad helps too. > > Huh? You just removed more than 3 _million_[1] potential users.. (Some say 8 > million [2]) Is that a good argument? Why should developers on Windows avoid > using Windows tools? Because they're 'idiots'? (ref further down in your > reply) When somebody does not want the same as you, it comes natural to think of that person as an idiot. That's psychology, not something rational. However, I think we are talking about an almost non-issue here: those 3-80 million users "just waiting" for Git probably would not touch it without a complete installer. And that installer could just ask "which line ending do you want to suffer through today?" Which brings _me_ back to my pet hate: why on earth is _no_ one of those 30-800 billion Windows users trying to do something about the lack of a proper native Windows support for Git? The MinGW port contains commits from these people (skipping everything that is in official git.git): Johannes Schindelin Johannes Sixt Junio C Hamano Mark Levedahl Simon 'corecode' Schubert I know for certain that the first person, and also the third person, are not exactly Windows users. I guess not even the last two persons are. Note that more work has been done on git-gui, because those poor Windows developers are evidently so uncomfortable with the keyboard that a GUI is needed. AFAIK only Johannes Sixt and Shawn Pearce worked on the Windows/git-gui interaction (and again, Shawn is not a Windows user). Han-Wen made an installer, right, but that installer is lacking bash and perl, and proper testing, because it was just a proof-of-concept. Han-Wen is no Windows user either. I tried to pick up on that work, but unfortunately "gub" (the cross compiling framework he used) is so Pythonesque that I was put off. So this leaves me with the question: do Windows users really want a proper native Windows support for Git? If the answer is yes, why don't they _do_ (as in "not talk") something about it? (Let me take a BIG, BIIIIIG exception here: Johannes Sixt has worked long and hard and extremely well on this beast. He is certainly the exception that proves the rule.) Ciao, Dscho - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
