Hi Eric, On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, Eric Wong wrote: > Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@xxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2019, Junio C Hamano wrote: > > > Eric Wong <e@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > > Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@xxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> Instead, we will have to rely on your centralized, non-distributed > > > >> service... > > > > > > > > I'm curious how you came to believe that, since that's the > > > > opposite of what public-inbox has always been intended to be. > > > > > > I think the (mis)perception comes from the fact that the website and > > > the newsfeed you give are both too easy to use and directly attract > > > end users, instead of enticing them to keep their own mirrors for > > > offline use. > > > > > > Thanks for injecting dose of sanity. > > > > Maybe your dose of sanity can inject a statement about the case when > > public-inbox.org/git differs from a mirror, and not in a > > fast-forwardable way? What is the authoritative source of truth, then? > > Why does authoritative source of truth matter? My > anti-authoritarian ethos is what drew me to DVCS in the first > place. > > If senders want to attest to the integrity of their messages; > they can sign, and/or publish a copy/log of their sent messages > on their homepage/social media/whatever. That's up to THEM, > not anybody else. > > If somebody wants to fork public-inbox.org/git and run > public-inbox-watch from their own Maildir, they're more than > welcome to. I am _more_ than happy to rely on public-inbox.org/git. And I will never kid myself about relying on a central service, is all. > If somebody wants to write their own importers since they don't > like the code I write, they are more than welcome to. There's > already mail-archive.com, marc.info, news.gmane.org (which > public-inbox.org/git forked from) and some others. > > Going farther, if people want to fork entire mailing lists and > communities, they should be able to do so. I don't like mail > subscriber lists being centralized on any host, either. > > I have never, ever asked anybody to trust me or public-inbox; > in fact, I've stated the opposite and will continue to do so. Well, too bad. I trust you, Eric. I do trust you and will probably continue to trust you because I don't expect you to do anything, ever, to break that trust. So far, you haven't disappointed me even a single time, and we've concurrently been Git contributors for, sheesh, has it already been almost 14 years? I have benefitted from your work greatly, mostly via `git svn` in the olden days, and I hope that I could return the favor every once in a while. Without public-inbox.org/git, GitGitGadget would not be possible. My scripts to map commits to mails and vice versa (mirrored to https://github.com/gitgitgadget/git as `refs/notes/mail-to-commit` and `commit-to-mail`) would remain a pipe dream of mine. (Yes, yes, there are holes in that mapping, but even if I only have to look up manually one out of 30 mails when I want to comment on a specific commit, that already saves me so much time, not to mention nerves.) So please understand that I am deeply grateful that you came up with these projects, in particular with public-inbox. It is a life saver. I might not share all of your philosophy regarding centralized vs decentralized, even so, what you did helps me multiple times every single day. Therefore: a heart-felt Thank You, I owe you more than one, Dscho
