On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Andres Freund <andres@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 2013-06-09 13:01:30 -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> You don't agree that 1) a collegial work environment is overrated, 2) >> >> that the Linux kernel doesn't put an emphasis on being collegial, or >> >> 3) that it's the most successful software project in history? >> > >> > Point 1. >> >> Good, so we agree that a project doesn't need a collegial work >> environment to be extremely and amazingly successful. In fact, any >> rational person would keep an open mind to the fact that perhaps it >> actually _helps_ to not have such environment, based on the evidence. > > Just from skimming both lists, most of the time I find lkml to be nicer > (and more collegial) to read because it has a better atmosphere than > git@ had in the last year or two. A better atmosphere, yes, because they know how to avoid flamewars, and concentrate on technical issues, not because they have a collegial work environment. Unless you think this reply[1] is collegial. Even though I haven't been following Linux mailing lists that closely lately, I still manage to see a lot of these kinds of replies. > And yes, a good atmosphere plays an important role. One of the reasons > is that it makes it easier to discern arguments based on personality > disputes - which certainly exist on lk - from actual technical > disagreements that need to be resolved. That's right, but that's not because everyone is collegial in LKML, which they most certainly are not. Linus being one of many examples. [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/85952 -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html