On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Felipe Contreras writes: >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Michael J Gruber >> <git@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > +1 on Jakub and Ram because they showed restraint in the pertaining >> > thread. We need moderators, not radiators ;) >> >> Ok, I was going to let go what happened, but you are calling me a >> radiator. So here's what happened > [...] > > Can I personally kneel down before you and *beg* you to let this go? As I said, I had already let it go, but I wasn't going to let Michael Gruber call me a "radiator" unfairly. > I'm nobody- both you and Johannes have contributed far more to git.git > than me. However, seeing you fight like this makes me sad. I don't see > why I should be biased against either "Johannes", "Jakub", or "Felipe" > - they're just random names to me. From what I've seen, using my best > unbiased judgement, you're definitely over-reacting; to the extent > that I'm almost convinced you have something against Johannes > personally. Please, please stop- the list is no place for this. We can > all write SO much good code and solve the world's hunger problems > instead of squabbling like this. I have nothing against Johannes, he has done much more for the community than I have, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to express my opinion when I think he is wrong. > We're not ignoring anything. We have come to a solution together, > voted for it, and are solving it now IMO having more than one admin is only part o the solution, see: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/WikiIdeas > - Jakub and I will work with (or > "to check" if you prefer that) Johannes. Personally, I don't think you > should work with Johannes, atleast in the state in which you're in > right now. Please disagree only if you feel that Jakub or I will do a > bad job. It's not Johannes' wiki; it's the community's. And I'm certain that I can work just fine with Jakub as I've done it in the past. > Can you please stop digging up old graves and let Johannes be now? I have never seen Johannes said a word about why he unbanned Amir, what he will do the next time this happens, his opinion on the new admin proposal, or any of my list of suggestions. I don't see much resolved. > Can you trust that we understand the full magnitude of the problem and > will do our best to prevent it from happening again? I will trust, once I see comments on https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/WikiIdeas. >> 7) At this point it was clear to me that Johannes had too much power >> over the wiki, being the only admin, and that was specially worrying >> since he had so low tolerance to accepting mistakes, therefore, on Aug >> 10 I started a new thread asking for a new (as in extra) maintainer, >> and one of the arguments was his misbehavior. >> >> Note: I consider raising a flag when there are problems to be a good thing. > > Yes, this is all very good. We got some suggestions, and we're working > towards solving the problem. Are we not doing it fast enough? Sure, but Michael made it look like a bad thing. >> 8) The same day Johannes accepted he made a mistake, and silently >> unblocked Amir with the message "I overreacted and am sorry". He never >> accepted any wrongdoing on the mailing list, nor expressed any desire >> in doing anything to avoid these issues in the future. > > Remind me why *you* have a problem with Johannes not writing a public > apology note? He did whatever was needed to be done to solve the > issue. Amir is happy, Johannes is happy, and nobody is fighting > anymore. Why are you pressing on the issue of whether Johannes > realizes his mistake or not? Whether or not he does, we'll be working > with him- so he won't have a chance to "misbehave" again. I don't > understand what you want from him. I am merely stating what happened. > Johannes: If Felipe still keeps insisting on a public apology, please > oblige and get it over with. I am not insisting on an apology, I am more interested on what will happen the next time something like this happen. But I don't expect anything from Johannes. >> What we need is people that resolve the conflicts, not ignore them. > > How are we ignoring anything? We've called a vote. By virtue of having > more votes than you, Jakub and I will step up if nobody has further > objections. This matter is closed unless someone does. I'm not saying you are ignoring anything. Read to what I replied: >> > +1 on Jakub and Ram because they showed restraint in the pertaining >> > thread. We need moderators, not radiators ;) I think I've helped resolve the conflict, but Michael makes it look as if I aggravated it. Also, according to Michael, Jakub has points because he didn't make a single comment on the thread, thus implying that ignoring conflicts is a good thing. Note: in order to avoid confusion; I do think Jakub is a good candidate, not because he didn't comment on the issue, but because of his argumentation skills and other reasons. Besides, this is not a competition; there's nothing wrong with having more admins. However, notice that this voting doesn't even have a day open. Anyway, although I would like to help administering the wiki, just having a second admin I think is huge progress. I just didn't like Michael hurting my chances. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html