On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Michael J Gruber <git@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > +1 on Jakub and Ram because they showed restraint in the pertaining > thread. We need moderators, not radiators ;) Ok, I was going to let go what happened, but you are calling me a radiator. So here's what happened 1) On August 7 Johannes (Dscho) deleted a bunch of user/user talk pages, including Jakub Narebski's page with comments like "link spam", "Inappropriate abuse of the Wiki as a messenger". 2) The same day, Amir (Amire80), an experienced wikipedia editor and sysop, asked Johannes what was wrong about having a link in his user page, a practice not only allowed, but encouraged in wikipedia, and according to the default text in mediawiki, also in git's wiki. He did it through user talk pages, which again is the way people communicate wikipedia. 3) Johannes blocked Amir with the message "Inappropriate abuse of the Wiki as a messenger, as well as abuse of the admin", and deleted Amir's comment. 4) Amir proceeded to contact the mailing list explaining what happened, and that if indeed that's the policy of git wiki (which is quite contrary to most wikis), such policy must be written somewhere, not allowing people to make those mistakes. Also, asking for his account to be unblocked. 5) The thread developed into the pros/cons of user pages until Štěpán brought back the issue of the ban, at which point Johannes was Cc'ed. 6) Johannes defended his decision, arguing that people should somehow know that user pages are not allowed, even though other people have user pages (Jsarenik, Mike.lifeguard, etc.), even Jakub Narebski had one at the moment Amir created his. He made it clear he wasn't going to do *anything* regarding this issue, suggested that I take over his task of monitoring the wiki, and that he was done with the discussion. Note: I never accused Johannes of doing anything wrong, until he denied to unblock Amir, which I think was clearly wrong, and even worst, didn't have any desire to listen to the arguments. 7) At this point it was clear to me that Johannes had too much power over the wiki, being the only admin, and that was specially worrying since he had so low tolerance to accepting mistakes, therefore, on Aug 10 I started a new thread asking for a new (as in extra) maintainer, and one of the arguments was his misbehavior. Note: I consider raising a flag when there are problems to be a good thing. 8) The same day Johannes accepted he made a mistake, and silently unblocked Amir with the message "I overreacted and am sorry". He never accepted any wrongdoing on the mailing list, nor expressed any desire in doing anything to avoid these issues in the future. I didn't "radiate" anything, the problem was there, I merely pointed it out. What we need is people that resolve the conflicts, not ignore them. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html